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Plumbing Board Minutes 05/09/2006
TUESDAY, MAY 9, 2006

Members Present:                Mr. Siracusa
                                Mr. Bianco
                                Mr. Lilly       
                                Mr. Castiglione
                                Mr. DeOrio

Mr. DeOrio:     This is the meeting of the City of Auburn’s Board of Examining Plumbers, and the date is May 9, 2006 and the time is 5:04 p.m.    Let the record show that all members are present.  On the agenda tonight is what we had talked about at the last meeting is we have prepared a PVC Pipe Specification for your use and Carl and myself worked this on.  You have a copy in front of you and I think what I will do is turn it over to Carl right, if Carl could review the spec and the drawings and then we will take any questions from the members and we will vote on accepting this as is and after that if that is ok we will get this out to all the plumbers in the City of Auburn if that would be acceptable.  So Carl the floor is yours.

Mr. Castiglione:        All these specs came from the State book, this is all State Code, we did not make this up.  Frank and I went up to Engineering and got the State Code book that is including the drawings in the back, there are two drawings, one just gives you the laying of the pipe, gives you 6 inches of granular, the call it select granular file, which is sand that is what they mean, sand and you can use mason sand or finer sand, but it has to be sand, they don’t want any crush, has to be sand for PVC pipe.

Mr. Bianco:     OK.
Mr. DeOrio:     But the select fill gives the Carl the opportunity to accept various grades of sand.

Mr. Castiglione:        You can take, they call is mason sand it is a little coarser sand, I think that is a little cheaper than the finer sand.

Mr. Bianco:     You want good compacting sand.  

Mr. Castiglione:        What they want is a nice bed for this PVC, it will snap.

Mr. Bianco:     Pool sand

Mr. Castiglione:        Any thing granular.  What the State recommends and every thing on these drawings is minimum.  

Mr. Bianco:     No crusher run?

Mr. Castiglione:        No, not for PVC.  

Mr. Bianco:     OK.

Mr. Castiglione:        They want 6 inches on the bottom minimum, 6 inches on the top minimum and 10 inches on each side of the pipe, you are looking at a 2 foot ditch, which usually is the minimal ditch size is 2 foot.  

        The second drawing is when you tie into the main.  You have done this before Steve on your diner I think, you made that tie in.

Mr. Bianco:     Yes.

Mr. Castiglione:        You used that plastic which worked out nice.  You did a nice job, you had to cut the line you used this system here.

Mr. Bianco:     Yes they are nice, drilled the pipe and installed the insertatee.

Mr. Castiglione:        And that is only for certain mains for the newer mains in the City.  

Mr. Bianco:     You can use them on the old mains if you can drill.

Mr. Castiglione:        If you can drill and that is why they show you a core boring machine here so you can drill a steel main or a clay main and still use this Insertatee.  That is it in a nutshell and the rest of the spec is a two-page spec what the State expects.

Mr. Bianco:     Another thing, I was reading the minutes from the last meeting and you have got the 4 band joints now that Insertatee is really just a fernco, I mean no more than a fernco with a fitting molded on the bottom of it, so can you use the ferncos in the ground, you can raise the ferncos to make lateral connections

Mr. Castiglione:        We are allowing the ferncos if you are going to clay to cast.

Mr. Bianco:     If you are joining like 4 to 4 like old cast iron to plastic a fernco is probably a better band than these other 4 band heavy duty stainless steel bands.

Mr. Castiglione:        Fernco goes like this

Mr. Bianco:     That stainless steel band won’t line up with certain different

Mr. Castiglione:        You are right, they don’t.  The old plastic is a lot bigger than cast iron.  They do make a cast iron with a plastic band I think Northrup carries them.  The rubber is a little thicker for the cast iron so you get an even clamp.

Mr. Bianco:     That is only a 2 band

Mr. Castiglione:        Yes, but that is called clamp all if you notice it is a heavy duty stainless steel collar around the whole thing.

Mr. Bianco:     Right but that is a 2 band; you are going to be ok with a 2 band?

Mr. Castiglione:        Yes, clamp all, yes.

Mr. Bianco:     In the minutes you requested a 4 band

Mr. Castiglione:        4 band if you are going from plastic to plastic, say you want to glue it, say you want to use the joints, we also allow the clamp alls which is a good rigid band, even though it is a 2 band it is still deeper than the old fashioned 2 bands, remember the ones they said to use for no hub, they are getting away from them because they found out the holding pressure isn’t there any more.  

Mr. Bianco:     What bands do we have available?

Mr. Castiglione:        We have the clamp alls, which is a 2 band; we can use that because they have a deeper pocket than the regular and the four bands heavy duty.  

Mr. Bianco:     They are carrying them locally?  

Mr. Castiglione:        Yes.  Ferncos we use that is the only then we can use when you go to cast iron and we put a bag of cement on it to rigid it up

Mr. Bianco:     There are going to be a lot of situations where it is going to have to use what ever meets that situation so many different types of material.

Mr. Castiglione:        You have 5-inch clay, where are you going to get a fitting for that?  Fernco is the only one that makes an adaptor.

Mr. Bianco:     What ever fits the job, as long as you are looking at it.

Mr. Castiglione:        Right. Fernco they are all right if you concrete them.  Al Fletcher dug up a sewer a year and a half ago on Grant Avenue, it kept plugging up, come to find out they use a furaco, gave them a pocket and every thing was catching on the pocket and building up and they would go and clean it out and finally the guy said dig it up I can’t keep paying $125 every time you come and clean it up, it lasts a couple months and then we have to call you again.  So they dug it up and that is what we found.

Mr. Bianco:     A lot of it has to do with the installation in the bedding process.

Mr. Castiglione:        Yes, it did shift.

Mr. DeOrio:     Any other questions.

Mr. Siracusa:   It says in here at least 4 joints shall be left exposed for inspection purposes.  If some one has 100 joints in there only 4 joints have to be checked?

Mr. Castiglione:        100 joints gives you one hell of a sewer.  

Mr. Siracusa:   Goes to extremes that is what it is doing here.

Mr. Castiglione:        We aren’t going to the extremes this comes out of the State Code.

Mr. Siracusa:   I realize that.

Mr. Castiglione:        What they are telling you is to leave at least 4 joints if I wanted to get a level on them, right?  We did it on the plaza job

Mr. DeOrio:     Or you can guarantee the workmanship of the joint.  

Mr. Castiglione:        Just to show that we got pitch.  Any time I go on a sewer inspection the whole sewer is left open and I can see.  Lot of times they will call me and say Carl, we keep caving in here, can you make it up right away.  If I can I can, if I can’t I tell them to back it

Mr. Bianco:     Or take a picture.

Mr. Castiglione:        Take a picture of what you got and then back fill it and then continue on.  Every job is different.

Mr. DeOrio:     Any thing else, Steve, Koy?  Every body satisfied with it?  Will we accept it as is then?  

        All in favor.  None opposed.

        Carl then starting tomorrow we will make sure that Jane gets this out to all licensed plumbers and drain layers.

Mr. Castiglione:        This way they know what they have to conform to when they want to use PVC.  

Mr. Bianco:     I got a price on cast iron today first price was $73.00, then I got another price $65.00, still
Mr. Castiglione:        I think the price I gave you at the last meeting was $66 and some change.

Mr. Bianco:     So what is the 4-inch plastic?

Mr. Castiglione:        It is a third.  

Mr. Bianco:     It is a better pipe.

Mr. Castiglione:        If it is put in right it will last longer.

Mr. Bianco:     You don’t have to worry about the roots getting in there.

Mr. Castiglione:        Smoother inside.

Mr. Bianco:     Way better for the customer.  

Mr. DeOrio:     One thing that is important to realize in this spec as well it is PVC Schedule 48 or better not SDR.

Mr. Bianco:     Right.  That is good.

Mr. Siracusa:   Under line that.

Mr. DeOrio:     We can highlight that.

        Any thing else any body wants to discuss?   Shall we schedule our next meeting?  Summer meetings, every other month?

Mr. Castiglione:        We should go every other month, if something comes up if we have to, we schedule an emergency meeting.

Mr. DeOrio:     July 4th is the first Tuesday so we can’t do that, how about July 11, 2006?  5:00 p.m.?

Mr. Castiglione:        OK.  

Mr. DeOrio:     Works for every body?

Mr. Castiglione:        5:00 p.m. is good summer hours.

Mr. DeOrio:     Next meeting July 11, 2006 at 5:00 p.m.

        Meeting adjourned.

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